tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213262.post5229959719911328131..comments2024-03-25T07:29:08.216-04:00Comments on 2 Political Junkies: Heartland Institute, Deception, And The TribMariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10439330154875628083noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213262.post-13321050078184514892012-02-22T23:20:09.346-05:002012-02-22T23:20:09.346-05:00Congrats, HTTT, you made me laugh out loud. And (o...Congrats, HTTT, you made me laugh out loud. And (of course) you didn't answer many (really most) of my questions, which is par for the course for you. You are not interested in discussion, you just want to pretend that what you say matters in some way. <br /><br />By the way, everything I have read suggests that the original document thingie Gleick received is absolutely a fake. And to be clear, nothing in the documents Heartland sent Gleick, which he sent on to apparently at least a couple of climate blogs, have any effect on the climate debate (just like the stolen emails from East Anglia). I mean, apparently the leaked documents show Heartland to be fairly slimy, but that has no bearing on whether climate change is happening or not. <br /><br />So you understand where the term "swiftboating" came from, what was done and who did it. And you still want to use the term, to mock progressives. You are only succeeding in mocking yourself, dude.EdHeathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09109361235271107574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213262.post-49540729543026400442012-02-22T16:26:46.108-05:002012-02-22T16:26:46.108-05:00Wow, that's a really tasty word salad Heir.Wow, that's a really tasty word salad Heir.Ol' Frothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11001073150811372903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213262.post-25218385270204114682012-02-22T14:15:19.611-05:002012-02-22T14:15:19.611-05:00Ed
Heartland Institute is corporation.
Since corp...Ed <br />Heartland Institute is corporation.<br />Since corporations are not people and have no Constitutional rights, the Obama administration can seize the their records at any time. <br /><br />You should have used "Death Panels" as the reason to request the UPMC emails.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/leaked-docs-from-heartland-institute-cause-a-stir-but-is-one-a-fake/253165/" rel="nofollow">The only "shooting gun" was the original document Gleick received from the anonymous source.</a><br /><i>The memo, by contrast, uses more negative language about the efforts it's describing, while trying to sound like they think it's positive. It's like the opposition political manifestos found in novels written by stolid ideologues; they can never quite bear (or lack the imagination) to let the villains have a good argument. Switch the names, and the memo could have been a page ripped out of State of Fear or Atlas Shrugged.<br />Basically, it reads like it was written from the secret villain lair in a Batman comic. By an intern.</i><br /><br />I was using the term swiftboat to mock progressives.Social Justice NPC Anti-Paladin™https://www.blogger.com/profile/14533575674043719198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213262.post-42723159032174227562012-02-22T13:22:39.148-05:002012-02-22T13:22:39.148-05:00HTTT, you are saying that it would be perfectly re...HTTT, you are saying that it would be perfectly reasonable for me to request <b>all</b> the emails from, say, the Department of Oncology at UPMC's servers (that gets funding for cancer research from the NIH), because I believe the government is concealing a cure for cancer from us? Because as I understand it, <b>all</b> the emails from the Climate Research Unit were stolen, not just ones related to any specific area of research. <br /><br />Could I have received all the documents from the Heartland Institute if I made an FOIA request? After all, they benefit from federal laws that give them charity status; their donors get a tax deduction for the money they send to the Heartland Institute. <br /><br />And is it forgery or smearing if the documents Gleick received are from the Heartland Institute (except for the original document Gleick received from ah anonymous source)? What is Heartland doing, that releasing actual true documents is somehow harmful to anyone? <br /><br />Of course, you won't answer my specific questions directly. Republicans/conservatives aren't interested in open, honest debate. Consider were the term "swiftboat" was first used in our political discourse.EdHeathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09109361235271107574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213262.post-65214449602331802422012-02-22T10:20:26.639-05:002012-02-22T10:20:26.639-05:00When someone hacks into a mail server in East Angl...<i>When someone hacks into a mail server in East Anglia and publishes stolen emails, the Trib has nothing negative to say about that deception</i><br />However you and Ed condemned the releasing the hacked emails even if they should have been released under the FOIA.<br /><br />But defend the forgery to smear/swiftboat the Heartland InstituteSocial Justice NPC Anti-Paladin™https://www.blogger.com/profile/14533575674043719198noreply@blogger.com