ha-ha, you guys can't take a joke even when it is served up like a slow pitch softball. Do you really think the Obama cover was an innocent satire? Not every faction in the Dem Party is pulling for Obama.
FWIW, I think the real New Yorker cover is hysterical and wonderful. It would have been inappropriate on Newsweek, for example, but let's face it, this was for people who read the New Yorker. It was satirizing his opposition, for goodness sake. And ok satirizing his wife a bit, but I thought lovingly.
You didn't have to talk to little old Democratic ladies who didn't want to give any more $ to the DNC because 'he's a Muslim.'
The number of people who think he is a Muslim is up from 10% to 15% now.
I got to agree with:
Atrios: The New Yorker cover could have worked if had made more clear who it was satirizing (Fox news, the Republican party, Rush Limbaugh, whatever), or by being clever enough to provide the actual funny. As it is it's just a reflection of the Right's view of Obama, but there's nothing clever or funny about it. The cartoon could run as is on the cover of the National Review, also meaning to be "funny" but with a different target.
firedoglake: Most people who see this cover are just going to see the image of Obama in a turban. It reinforces a critical piece of misinformation that right wing propagandists have advanced in order to poison the political climate in this country and make it that much more difficult for a person of color to be elected president. These people are really stupid in order to believe something like this, but they're not going to get any smarter by viewing this image.
and
Digby as always has an interesting take: I've been wondering since 9/11 when the right would get around to conflating the Muslim terrorists with "black Muslims" and I think it may have finally happened in the couple of Barack and Michelle Obama. It would seem odd that the right wingers would smear him as being muslim. He's black, not arab, and it doesn't fit the stereotype. But it does fit the stereotype of the Farrakhan type of militant black muslims and that's what they're getting at with this. The image of the dangerous black radical is the purpose of the muslim smear, not the terrorist association. It's good old, All American racism.
John K: Good thing Imus didn't draw the cover. Only the left is allowed to use satire.
Since satire is "traditionally the weapon of the powerless against the powerful", that makes the right incapable of satire.
As I understand it, the New Yorker cover is not supposed to be a satirical post at the Obamas per se but rather a poke at the way the wingnuts portray them. This is not made clear and therefore, IMO, the cover fails as satire.
John K: Yah the right has all the power. LOL Which is why the congress is controlled by Democrats. LMAO and Democrats control PA. LMAO Good thing Imus did not draw the cover.
John K: Please print the name of the prominent right winger who portayed Obama as a muslim? O'Reilly, no, Hannity, no, Limbaugh, no, Honsberger, no, Kevin Miller, no, Ingraham, no, Glenn Beck, no, Hillary Clinton, YES. What has happened here is The New Yorker ran this cover so the left could use it to blame the right. But the right did not bite. You Obama supporters need to stick to the issues.
The New Yorker magazine has done more than any media organization to expose the calamity that is the Bush admin. Their writers like Sy Hersh, Rick Hershberg, Jane Mayer, Steve Coll, Jeff Toobin and George Packer have all written extensively on the lies that led up to the war in Iraq, the attack on our civil liberities, the extensive use of torture and many other issues of concern to liberals like myself.
Obama and his staff and supporters need to stop freaking out every time a comedian makes a joke about sex or a magazine pokes a little fun at him.
Honestly - how many people even look at the cover of the New Yorker?
More importantly, it wasn't a Photoshop. It was a crude drawing. Even to the most dimwitted, this effectively conveys "satire!" or at least, "jokes and silliness!"
Most importantly of all -- yeah, I concede your points. I just don't want the Democratic candidate or Democrats in general to get whiny about it. Remember, "You've just got to you know -- brush it off?" I know you do.
Wish he'd remember it more often. I think if anything Obama already has a slight tendency to get whiny about all the "no place in this campaign" outrages committed against him.
"Obama and his staff and supporters need to stop freaking out every time a comedian makes a joke about sex or a magazine pokes a little fun at him."
"I just don't want the Democratic candidate or Democrats in general to get whiny about it. Remember, "You've just got to you know -- brush it off?" I know you do.
Wish he'd remember it more often."
Yeah, I'm sure that's just what someone advised Al Gore and John Kerry and look how well that turned out!
Well, according to the blog "Barack Obama the Antichrist?" (to which I won't link), Beck has questioned whether Sen. Obama is indeed the antichrist (a question to which several commenters on said blog answered in the affirmative).
But I'm not sure whether "prominent right wingers" like Kevin Miller (snicker snicker) consider a muslim to be worse than the antichrist. Tough call.
Hmmm. That took two minutes to find. Something tells me replacing "beck" with "limbaugh" or "coulter" in 'the Google' would turn up similarly inflammatory language.
Agreed that the cover could have done a better job of indicating that this is an amalgamation of how the right has depicted Obama, but overall think the furor that has been raised actually hurts Obama far worse than the cover ever would have (let's face it, somebody who believes Obama is a nasty ol' muslim -- or even puts any credence in it as a factor in whether they believe he should be president -- is not going to vote for him.
John K: Obama and his campaign staff are in a bind. They need polarizing issues. Newsweek has them at even in the polls when Obama should be way ahead. After all it is a Newsweek poll. So you can't get anyone in the McCain camp to call Obama a muslim. McCain won't tolerate it. None of the right wing commentators will say it. Even the Trib won't say it. So Obama gets a left wing rag to say it. That way he can be outraged over comments made by his own people. This is about the 4th time the Obama camp has used this tactic. It ain't working. O'Reilly denounced the New Yorker ad. You Lose !
John K: Well then Fillippelli you ought to google it. Usually the left is calling me a liar and demanding that I google it. Neither Beck nor Limbaugh nor Hannity nor Ingraham has ever referred to Obama as a muslim. In fact, Ingraham has defended Obama and his christianity. And the anti-christ is not Obama the muslim. So try again. Its what I said. You need a polarizing issue and if the right won't give you one, you make it up. Fillip, learn to work a computer.
John K: Please print the name of the prominent right winger who portayed Obama as a muslim? O'Reilly, no, Hannity, no, Limbaugh, no, Honsberger, no, Kevin Miller, no, Ingraham, no, Glenn Beck, no, Hillary Clinton, YES.
Daniel Pipes? YES Debbie Schlussel? YES Mark Steyn? YES
Hillary Clinton? NO. The accusation that it was the Clinton campaign that started the "Obama attended a madrassa" storyline came from Rev. Sun Myung Moon's "Insight" website and was cheerfully echoed by Limbaugh and the propagandists at Faux News until it was debunked by CNN a few days later.
BTW, it took me all of 5 minutes on Google to find all this out. You might want to try that next time before you post more lies and make yourself look like an even bigger idiot (if that's possible).
Poor John. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to realize that your conservative ideology has been a colossal failure and we liberals have been right all along about all the important issues. It's doubly sad that all you can do is post inane grade-school taunts and easily disproved lies.
John K: Fillipelli--You have to do your own research. Maria got it wrong. Oh man did she get it wrong. 1. Who is Schlussel anyway? Some blogger who has influence over whom? She is not connected to McCain. If you cite her why not just cite the Klan and say it comes from McCain. I said, prominent right wing conservative. Read carefully Maria. Don't let your prejudices cloud your views. Do not just cite someone with access to a computer. 2. Mark Steyn--This is funny. His article talks about Hillary Clinton outed Obama as a muslim to win votes. And then mocking her. LOL 3. Pipes--"...and I believe him. In fact, he is a practicing christian..." Uh Maria, Pipes thinks Obama is a practicing Christian. LMAO By the way, is he a prominent conservative or just another person with access to a computer. You are going to have to do better than this. LMAO Get me a quote from a prominent right wing conservative who refers to Obama as a muslim. I can give some prominent democrats who have referred to Hussein Obama as a muslim. Bill and Hillary. And this is the best part. You folks voted for them . LMAO I AM RIGHT AGAIN ! You folks need to get over your prejudices. LMAO
Who cares what the right-wingers think? They have, consequent to failure, become the decided and increasingly irrelevant minority in today's America, which features more Democrats than anything else, and more independents than Republicans. That's right -- in a two-party, system Republicans are now in third place. Between non-partisans and the Greens/Libertarians/whatever. Republicans are in third place and falling.
Let them rant about mulattos and Muslims and EYE-ran and EYE-rawk and communists and socialists and whatever else disaffected ideologues choose to mutter about.
The rest of have a country to fix. Do you you can to promote the election of Sen. Obama. Discuss issues, such as Republicans' failures, McCain's similarity to Bush, etc. Work for Sen. Obama's campaign. Register voters. Send a few bucks to the Democratic Party or to Sen. Obama's campaign.
Mainly, ignore the right-wingers. They had their chance. They blew it. They are wrong. Let's make them as irrelevant as they deserve to be.
John K: Hey how about that Hillary Clinton. Already setting up a 2012 campaign fund. LOL And she wants you Hussein Obama people to pay for it. Remember, it was the Clinton's that first allegated that Obama attended a Madrassa, had muslim connections, and released the picture of him with a turbin. LMAO You lefties been had by the Clinton's! Remember, pay off her campaign debts.
Isn't it awesome how John K. just starts pulling stuff out of his ass and expects people to defend allegations that haven't been made agains the people he brings up?
About sums it up for the winger nutjobs...
It's a simple two-step process to handle the woeful winger trolls we have here: 1) Don't take them seriously, and 2) Don't be afraid to flatout reject the premise of their questions/comments/allegations.
The wingers are really hurting right now...they have a pathetic candidate who is trailing in all of the battleground states - OH, PA, MI, WI...I'm not certain about FL...but their guy is also trailing in VA, MO, CO, IA and a recent poll even has him behind in his home state, AZ; ND is tied, MT is very close, as is NV...they will lose more seats in the House and Senate...probably 15-25 in the House and anywhere between 7-10 in the Senate...because of the country's changing demographics, they face a very real chance of being the minority for a generation, much as they were during most of the 20th century...the Republican brand is ruined, conservatives are capitulating on a wide range of issues, particularly environmental issues, and the social wedge issues are simply not as effective as they were just four years ago...they overplayed the hate and the fear and the majority of the country rightly sees that they have little to offer but a burnt-out philosophy inadequate to address the needs and concerns of a modern society.
They had their highwater mark...it's all downhill for them for years to come.
Just curious, John K., but are you going to call-out the following people for saying the cartoon was offensive:
Bill Bennett Bill O'Reilly David Gergen Michael Medved AND John McCain
And how about that consiparacy theory of your's? Obama had the New Yorker deliberately print that cover so that he could feign outrage!!! Dude, lay off the crystal meth or pcp or Drano or whatever the hell it is you're on...
I love you site to bad McCain is going to"WIN" but don't cry you can always go to Iran and live. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms. BTW please take your shoes off when you fly their.
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ha-ha, you guys can't take a joke even when it is served up like a slow pitch softball. Do you really think the Obama cover was an innocent satire? Not every faction in the Dem Party is pulling for Obama.
FWIW, I think the real New Yorker cover is hysterical and wonderful. It would have been inappropriate on Newsweek, for example, but let's face it, this was for people who read the New Yorker. It was satirizing his opposition, for goodness sake. And ok satirizing his wife a bit, but I thought lovingly.
Bram,
You didn't have to talk to little old Democratic ladies who didn't want to give any more $ to the DNC because 'he's a Muslim.'
The number of people who think he is a Muslim is up from 10% to 15% now.
I got to agree with:
Atrios: The New Yorker cover could have worked if had made more clear who it was satirizing (Fox news, the Republican party, Rush Limbaugh, whatever), or by being clever enough to provide the actual funny. As it is it's just a reflection of the Right's view of Obama, but there's nothing clever or funny about it. The cartoon could run as is on the cover of the National Review, also meaning to be "funny" but with a different target.
firedoglake: Most people who see this cover are just going to see the image of Obama in a turban. It reinforces a critical piece of misinformation that right wing propagandists have advanced in order to poison the political climate in this country and make it that much more difficult for a person of color to be elected president. These people are really stupid in order to believe something like this, but they're not going to get any smarter by viewing this image.
and
Digby as always has an interesting take: I've been wondering since 9/11 when the right would get around to conflating the Muslim terrorists with "black Muslims" and I think it may have finally happened in the couple of Barack and Michelle Obama. It would seem odd that the right wingers would smear him as being muslim. He's black, not arab, and it doesn't fit the stereotype. But it does fit the stereotype of the Farrakhan type of militant black muslims and that's what they're getting at with this. The image of the dangerous black radical is the purpose of the muslim smear, not the terrorist association. It's good old, All American racism.
Well said, Maria.
John K: Good thing Imus didn't draw the cover. Only the left is allowed to use satire.
John K: Good thing Imus didn't draw the cover. Only the left is allowed to use satire.
Since satire is "traditionally the weapon of the powerless against the powerful", that makes the right incapable of satire.
As I understand it, the New Yorker cover is not supposed to be a satirical post at the Obamas per se but rather a poke at the way the wingnuts portray them. This is not made clear and therefore, IMO, the cover fails as satire.
John K: Yah the right has all the power. LOL Which is why the congress is controlled by Democrats. LMAO and Democrats control PA. LMAO Good thing Imus did not draw the cover.
John K: Please print the name of the prominent right winger who portayed Obama as a muslim? O'Reilly, no, Hannity, no, Limbaugh, no, Honsberger, no, Kevin Miller, no, Ingraham, no, Glenn Beck, no, Hillary Clinton, YES. What has happened here is The New Yorker ran this cover so the left could use it to blame the right. But the right did not bite. You Obama supporters need to stick to the issues.
The New Yorker magazine has done more than any media organization to expose the calamity that is the Bush admin. Their writers like Sy Hersh, Rick Hershberg, Jane Mayer, Steve Coll, Jeff Toobin and George Packer have all written extensively on the lies that led up to the war in Iraq, the attack on our civil liberities, the extensive use of torture and many other issues of concern to liberals like myself.
Obama and his staff and supporters need to stop freaking out every time a comedian makes a joke about sex or a magazine pokes a little fun at him.
M-
Honestly - how many people even look at the cover of the New Yorker?
More importantly, it wasn't a Photoshop. It was a crude drawing. Even to the most dimwitted, this effectively conveys "satire!" or at least, "jokes and silliness!"
Most importantly of all -- yeah, I concede your points. I just don't want the Democratic candidate or Democrats in general to get whiny about it. Remember, "You've just got to you know -- brush it off?" I know you do.
Wish he'd remember it more often. I think if anything Obama already has a slight tendency to get whiny about all the "no place in this campaign" outrages committed against him.
"Obama and his staff and supporters need to stop freaking out every time a comedian makes a joke about sex or a magazine pokes a little fun at him."
"I just don't want the Democratic candidate or Democrats in general to get whiny about it. Remember, "You've just got to you know -- brush it off?" I know you do.
Wish he'd remember it more often."
Yeah, I'm sure that's just what someone advised Al Gore and John Kerry and look how well that turned out!
"Honestly - how many people even look at the cover of the New Yorker?"
It's all over the news just like The New Yorker knew it would be.
Well, according to the blog "Barack Obama the Antichrist?" (to which I won't link), Beck has questioned whether Sen. Obama is indeed the antichrist (a question to which several commenters on said blog answered in the affirmative).
But I'm not sure whether "prominent right wingers" like Kevin Miller (snicker snicker) consider a muslim to be worse than the antichrist. Tough call.
Hmmm. That took two minutes to find. Something tells me replacing "beck" with "limbaugh" or "coulter" in 'the Google' would turn up similarly inflammatory language.
Agreed that the cover could have done a better job of indicating that this is an amalgamation of how the right has depicted Obama, but overall think the furor that has been raised actually hurts Obama far worse than the cover ever would have (let's face it, somebody who believes Obama is a nasty ol' muslim -- or even puts any credence in it as a factor in whether they believe he should be president -- is not going to vote for him.
John K: Obama and his campaign staff are in a bind. They need polarizing issues. Newsweek has them at even in the polls when Obama should be way ahead. After all it is a Newsweek poll. So you can't get anyone in the McCain camp to call Obama a muslim. McCain won't tolerate it. None of the right wing commentators will say it. Even the Trib won't say it. So Obama gets a left wing rag to say it. That way he can be outraged over comments made by his own people. This is about the 4th time the Obama camp has used this tactic. It ain't working. O'Reilly denounced the New Yorker ad. You Lose !
c'mon fillippelli... don't stop with beck. keep going!
you know how ROFL lazy us LMAO liberals are. you have to do the hard werk for me.
John K: Well then Fillippelli you ought to google it. Usually the left is calling me a liar and demanding that I google it. Neither Beck nor Limbaugh nor Hannity nor Ingraham has ever referred to Obama as a muslim. In fact, Ingraham has defended Obama and his christianity. And the anti-christ is not Obama the muslim. So try again.
Its what I said. You need a polarizing issue and if the right won't give you one, you make it up. Fillip, learn to work a computer.
John K: Please print the name of the prominent right winger who portayed Obama as a muslim? O'Reilly, no, Hannity, no, Limbaugh, no, Honsberger, no, Kevin Miller, no, Ingraham, no, Glenn Beck, no, Hillary Clinton, YES.
Daniel Pipes? YES
Debbie Schlussel? YES
Mark Steyn? YES
Hillary Clinton? NO. The accusation that it was the Clinton campaign that started the "Obama attended a madrassa" storyline came from Rev. Sun Myung Moon's "Insight" website and was cheerfully echoed by Limbaugh and the propagandists at Faux News until it was debunked by CNN a few days later.
BTW, it took me all of 5 minutes on Google to find all this out. You might want to try that next time before you post more lies and make yourself look like an even bigger idiot (if that's possible).
Poor John. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to realize that your conservative ideology has been a colossal failure and we liberals have been right all along about all the important issues. It's doubly sad that all you can do is post inane grade-school taunts and easily disproved lies.
Question answered. Being a muslim is worse than being the antichrist in the right-wingers mind. The confirmation is good to have, I suppose.
Well done Maria. Good to see the old Maria back.
John K: Fillipelli--You have to do your own research. Maria got it wrong. Oh man did she get it wrong.
1. Who is Schlussel anyway? Some blogger who has influence over whom? She is not connected to McCain. If you cite her why not just cite the Klan and say it comes from McCain. I said, prominent right wing conservative. Read carefully Maria. Don't let your prejudices cloud your views. Do not just cite someone with access to a computer.
2. Mark Steyn--This is funny. His article talks about Hillary Clinton outed Obama as a muslim to win votes. And then mocking her. LOL
3. Pipes--"...and I believe him. In fact, he is a practicing christian..." Uh Maria, Pipes thinks Obama is a practicing Christian. LMAO By the way, is he a prominent conservative or just another person with access to a computer.
You are going to have to do better than this. LMAO
Get me a quote from a prominent right wing conservative who refers to Obama as a muslim.
I can give some prominent democrats who have referred to Hussein Obama as a muslim. Bill and Hillary. And this is the best part. You folks voted for them . LMAO I AM RIGHT AGAIN ! You folks need to get over your prejudices. LMAO
John K: But we do know this about Obama's christian religion. He is conected to Rev Wright and that Pfleuger guy. LMAO I GOT YAH !
Who cares what the right-wingers think? They have, consequent to failure, become the decided and increasingly irrelevant minority in today's America, which features more Democrats than anything else, and more independents than Republicans. That's right -- in a two-party, system Republicans are now in third place. Between non-partisans and the Greens/Libertarians/whatever. Republicans are in third place and falling.
Let them rant about mulattos and Muslims and EYE-ran and EYE-rawk and communists and socialists and whatever else disaffected ideologues choose to mutter about.
The rest of have a country to fix. Do you you can to promote the election of Sen. Obama. Discuss issues, such as Republicans' failures, McCain's similarity to Bush, etc. Work for Sen. Obama's campaign. Register voters. Send a few bucks to the Democratic Party or to Sen. Obama's campaign.
Mainly, ignore the right-wingers. They had their chance. They blew it. They are wrong. Let's make them as irrelevant as they deserve to be.
John K,
an you just shut up all ready. Your comments are all the same. Democrats are liberals and all bad. Republicans are all good.
Seriously, you add nothing to the discussion except distraction and idiocracy.
anon 2:42... you confused me for a minute there!
i thought that you were john k., going off on himself.
i thought he'd finally lost it.
too bad.
*yet another reason for requiring identities to post*
Where is the sombero for Panama Juan McSame?
John K: New Yorker threw a soft ball at Hussein Obama and he struck out. But I echo Limbaugh; who whines over editorial cartoons, muslims. LOL LOL LOL
John K: Hey how about that Hillary Clinton. Already setting up a 2012 campaign fund. LOL And she wants you Hussein Obama people to pay for it. Remember, it was the Clinton's that first allegated that Obama attended a Madrassa, had muslim connections, and released the picture of him with a turbin. LMAO You lefties been had by the Clinton's! Remember, pay off her campaign debts.
"allegated"??
Tells us everything we need to know about John K.
John K,
You need to read the articles you attempt to reference so you don't sound like a complete jackass. Hillary is starting up a 2012 SENATE CAMPAIGN.
Devil is in the details which you clearly don't grasp.
This is great. I was hoping someone would do this.
Thanks!
Isn't it awesome how John K. just starts pulling stuff out of his ass and expects people to defend allegations that haven't been made agains the people he brings up?
About sums it up for the winger nutjobs...
It's a simple two-step process to handle the woeful winger trolls we have here: 1) Don't take them seriously, and 2) Don't be afraid to flatout reject the premise of their questions/comments/allegations.
The wingers are really hurting right now...they have a pathetic candidate who is trailing in all of the battleground states - OH, PA, MI, WI...I'm not certain about FL...but their guy is also trailing in VA, MO, CO, IA and a recent poll even has him behind in his home state, AZ; ND is tied, MT is very close, as is NV...they will lose more seats in the House and Senate...probably 15-25 in the House and anywhere between 7-10 in the Senate...because of the country's changing demographics, they face a very real chance of being the minority for a generation, much as they were during most of the 20th century...the Republican brand is ruined, conservatives are capitulating on a wide range of issues, particularly environmental issues, and the social wedge issues are simply not as effective as they were just four years ago...they overplayed the hate and the fear and the majority of the country rightly sees that they have little to offer but a burnt-out philosophy inadequate to address the needs and concerns of a modern society.
They had their highwater mark...it's all downhill for them for years to come.
Just curious, John K., but are you going to call-out the following people for saying the cartoon was offensive:
Bill Bennett
Bill O'Reilly
David Gergen
Michael Medved
AND
John McCain
And how about that consiparacy theory of your's? Obama had the New Yorker deliberately print that cover so that he could feign outrage!!! Dude, lay off the crystal meth or pcp or Drano or whatever the hell it is you're on...
I love you site to bad McCain is going to"WIN" but don't cry you can always go to Iran and live. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms. BTW please take your shoes off when you fly their.
wow. troll insults are always more effective when they contain so many errors in spelling and grammar.
"Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?" - g.w. bush
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