Good to see he's not limiting his "foot in mouth" disease to television.
Media Matters has the story:
On The War Room With Quinn & Rose, guest host Mike Pintek echoed right-wing websites in questioning the authenticity of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate, claiming: "I still keep wondering about his birthplace and his birth certificate. I'm still not convinced that he actually was born a natural-born citizen."We've written about this smear before. Here's John Steigerwald's version of the smear and here's Pintek's.
The bottom line comes from Politifact:
Indeed Jim Geraghty at the NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE who says that the rumor is "unlikely":At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
as it would require everyone in his family to lie about this in every interview and discussion with those outside the family since young Obama appeared on the scene.And:
I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama’s certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said "the form is exactly the same" and it has "all the components of a birth certificate" record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine.That's the NATIONAL REVIEW. Pintek should read more, I guess. For Pintek to be right, all those people would have to by out and out lying.
Which is more likely? The certificate is genuine or all those people are lying and have been lying for years.
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Well, for "for all those people to have been lying" you must be assuming that they have all known the truth.
It seems to me that you're just trying to create a problem from someone else's opinion on controversy.
Do you really think the media personalities believe half the things they debate?
Remember the format of Debate Club in school? Whether you're for or against the topic, you still had the present a case for it.
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Am I correct that the democratic superdelegates have not yet chosen Obama for the party?
Oops - "you must be assuming that they have all known the truth." -ASSUMING that the truth is the birth certificate is not legitimate.
John K: You just noticed. Pintek has been doing this for at least 6 months. Like I said, the reason liberals are so narrow minded is they only listen to other liberals. Limbaugh rules!
John K: Since you brought up the Hussein Obama birth certificate I ask this. We know for a fact that the left hid stories, both of which were true, on Sen. Clinton (her being shot at...) and Edwards. Is the press acting in the same manner here? Clear it up. Demand Obama do a simple action, sign a release for the press to view it in its orginal state. Not the daily.kos version.
Oh shit! I don't have my original birth certificate. Plese don't tell John K -- he may try to have me deported.
Who here has their original birth certificate and who doesn't?
i have mine somewhere BUT i do not have my daughter's. she's 35. i was given a fancy framable document when she was born but the real birth cirtificate, nope.
i think i would have had to send to the county at that time and we didn't have the extra cash.
the cirtificate i was given was accepted when she started school so that was all i was worried about.
oh my god, maybe they'll send her back to where she was born!
of course, the old st. margaret's isn't in lawrenceville anymore.
now what???!!! ; )
John K: Well, you can very easily acquire your birth certificate by signing a form and sending the State $10. Hussein Obama can do the same thing. Why hasn't he? We know for a fact that the press has hid facts on Democratic Presidential front runners. So what are you hiding this time? Address the issue. Get the facts before the National Enquirer finds out. LMAO That is funny. LMAO
We don't know for a fact that "the left" hid stories. We know the Natial Enquirer ran a story on Edwards and the rest of the media (left or right, as far as I am aware) did not pick it up. But the Enquirer is a national newspaper, the story was hardly hidden. As for Ms Clinton's story, she made the assertion, and then the media started digging in their archives. When they found tape they ran it.
Who's making things up?
Why is anyone even bothering to discuss this? This is ridiculous.
Ignore it...
I have mine. Wife got a replacement for hers.
Maria, did your parents sell yours?
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BTW you can't be deported just for not having a birth certificate.
Piss off, John K.
No one's going to play your little game of "Lies and Smears."
John K: Ed Heath is really funny. If he didn't say it, it did not happen. Oh but we do know the left buried the story of Edwards. The left newsies are going thru a catharsis of analysis on being scooped by The National Enquirer. Remember Ed, the left had no problem sourcing the National Enquirer on Limbaugh. LOL LOL LOLAnd we also know the left buried the story on Clinton and her being shot at in Bosnia. She said it twice before anyone fact checked it. How did they fact check it. They rolled the tape. LMAO LMAO
John K: So now that we have clearly established that the left buries stories on favored Presidential candidates, what else have they buried on Obama? His real association with Rev Wright. Hannity was on this story back in Jan. Or perhaps some of the stuff Corsi has brought out about Obama. What will we find out eh? Obama's voting record. His calling unborn children "mistakes"? LOL It will embaress the left and provide hours of enjoyment for me. LMAO mostly at ED this time.
JohnK. you really shouldn't talk. You stereotype nearly everyone that posts here as 'the left'.
What are you? Cracker, stupid wop dego, nigger, greaser, gook, jew,.
I myself am a wasp cracker with a few republican ideals, but mostly democrat. Just don't call me a republican.
That BC is bogus.
John K: After that language Bob, wouldn't even think of calling you a Republican. But your lefty credentials are well established. What else is the press hiding about Hussein Obama's past. More Rev. Wright stuff perchance?
LOL. C'mon JohnK, you can do better than that. LOLOL
Listen up, you racist piece of filth.
The National Enquirer story on Limbaugh was backed up with an ARREST REPORT.
And I'm sorry, but this Hillary Bosnia bullshit you're peddling...no one covered that up, so stop lying.
But let's play this game, John.
Is Cindy McCain still a drug addict? She lied about it and covered it up. Why has the right covered this up for her?
Why won't John McCain let the press look at his full health records without a time limit? What is he hiding? Why won't he take a cognition test to see if he's not suffering from the onset of dimentia and senility? Why is the right lying to protect him?
Why did John McCain physically attack Rep. Rick Renzi? Why did he physically assault Pete Domenici? Why is the right covering up these stories about McCain's violent temper?
Why won't McCain say whether he does or doesn't suffer from PTSD? Why is the right covering this up for him?
John K: Jaywillie, calm down. You can comment all you want about McCain. Not a huge McCain supporter.As for the Sen. Clinton fake Bosnia story. The story was told twice in a public forum and never followed up on until she reached Pennsylvania in the primary. At that point Hussein Obama needed to try to knock her off her perch. The press covered it up and that rankles you liberals because having a fake war record is so much a part of the left's agenda. You fell for the Jesse MacBeth story. Heck why not fall for the Clinton story also.
Maybe Mike Pindik, John K. and Ed Heath can get together in K's parents' basement for a few games of Clue.
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