According to the May 30, 2005 Bradbury memo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002.From page 37 of the memo:
The CIA used the waterboard "at least 83 times during August 2002" in the interrogation of Zubaydah. IG Report at 90, and 183 times during March 2003 in the interrogation of KSM, see id. at 91.And sums it up:
The CIA wants you to believe waterboarding is effective. Yet somehow, it took them 183 applications of the waterboard in a one month period to get what they claimed was cooperation out of KSM.It's been public knowledge for sometime that President Obama won't be prosecuting the CIA officials who did the waterboarding.
That doesn't sound very effective to me.
But as Richard Kim of The Nation points out:
However politically expedient, Obama's nearly carte blanche absolution of torture was morally wrong, and his justification of it, from a professor of constitutional law, is intellectually dishonest.It's also, it seems, a violation of international law itself. From the BBC:
The UN special rapporteur on torture, Manfred Nowak, says the US is bound under the UN Convention against Torture to prosecute those who engage in it.Nowak goes on:
The United States, like all other states that are part of the UN convention against torture, is committed to conducting criminal investigations of torture and to bringing all persons against whom there is sound evidence to court.As Kim points out, Obama's explanation:
In releasing these memos, it is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution.Just doesn't hold stand up to scrutiny:
Obama's argument here is gravely disturbing. He asserts, in essence, that because the OLC says it is right, it is--that CIA agents should have absolute confidence in anything and everything approved by the OLC and/or ordered by the executive branch.Even if it's against the law - including UN Convention against Torture, where Article 2 states:
- Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
- No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
- An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.
Kim goes on:
Of course, higher-ups who ordered and sanctioned torture should be prosecuted as well, including the authors of the OLC memos. But that does not mean that the actual interrogators should be let off the hook en masse. Whether or not CIA interrogators should have refused orders or should have known that such orders were legally or morally wrong is a matter to be determined in trial, a matter of justice. It is not a question that can be swept away by the claim that they were just doing their jobs, that they were just being obedient subjects.From the New York Times editorial board:
Investigate and prosecute the war crimes, Mr President. It's the law.After all, as far as Mr. Bush’s lawyers were concerned, it was not really torture unless it involved breaking bones, burning flesh or pulling teeth. That, Mr. Bybee kept noting, was what the Libyan secret police did to one prisoner. The standard for American behavior should be a lot higher than that of the Libyan secret police.
At least Mr. Obama is not following Mr. Bush’s example of showy trials for the small fry — like Lynndie England of Abu Ghraib notoriety. But he has an obligation to pursue what is clear evidence of a government policy sanctioning the torture and abuse of prisoners — in violation of international law and the Constitution.
And it's the right thing to do.
8 comments:
You don't do torture like waterboarding because i'ts effective, you do it because, doggone it, it's jus fun!
And because you know that two consecutive conservative administrations will wink at it.
The object of torture is torture. - G. Orwell.
Maybe we have bigger fish to fry right now, maybe not. Obama wants to accomplish a lot this first year, and I know he and his people fear the backlash if he dives into investigations and prosecutions of the low-life Bush area bastards who did all this...
But I don't agree with that assessment. The wingnuts will bitch and stamp their feet like the spoiled children they are, but they are the same jerks who would argue that day is night and up is down...so you might as well go ahead and DO THE RIGHT THING!
If we are indeed to be a nation of laws, particularly laws which are applied equally to all, then Obama had damn well better hear the anger out here. For, while the nation and the world teeters on the brink of utter chaos, I still haven't seen any of the Wall Street malefactors....or the Bushie Boy scoundrels perp walked into a Federal Courthouse.
David is right. Prosecute NOW.
Clyde, the "bigger fish to fry" argument is bogus. If Pres. Obama was merely postponing action, he wouldn't be calling "all-y all-y in free," nor would he be instructing his COS to repeat and intensify the call.
I'm afraid this President has little but contempt for the Constitution and for many human rights.
Well, if I had to decide whether I want the entire global financial and economic system to collapse, spawning massive human disruptions and violence around the globe....or...prosecute a handful of schmucks who went crazy and tortured, I'd choose option number 1.
That's all I'm saying. And, if you read my post carefully, you'll note that I do express my disappointment in Obama's current approach to this...
But "contempt for the Constitution" is just batshit. At this moment, the man is the best chance we have.
Well, he is fighting a war in Pakistan that the Congress not only has not declared, they have also not even authorized. He voted for a bill that permits the feds to listen in while you talk sweet nothings to your honey on the phone. He announced that he will not prosecute people who committed felonies in the name of the United States. Oh, wait, you're right. He didn't burn an American flag. Never mind.
As for his being "the best chance we have," I fear very much that you are correct.
Hmmmm... if you WERE hunting big fish... or even medium sized fish, later... calling olly olly oxen free" sometime around now would be a practical way to start. Depending what's happening behind the scenes? Call me provisionally very upset, and conditionally willing to rethink this in retrospect if he pulls Cheney out of the hat.
Sept. 11 mastermind was waterboarded 183 times to remove head lice, say former Bush administration officials
Sept. 11 mastermind was waterboarded 183 times in delousing effort, say former Bush administration officialsWASHINGTON – Responding to Justice Department memos declassified by the Obama administration last week, former Bush administration officials claim that CIA agents who repeatedly waterboarded Sept. 11 planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were not bent on torture but simply treating a raging case of head lice and dandruff ...
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