What Fresh Hell Is This?

December 9, 2010

Please just go away

Via Shakesville:
“Today marks a lot of tragedy. … Tragedy comes in threes... Pearl Harbor, Elizabeth Edwards’s passing and Barack Obama’s announcement of extending the tax cuts, which is good, but also extending the unemployment benefits.”- Christine O'Donnell, speaking at the launching for her new political action committee, "ChristinePAC."

12 comments:

EdHeath said...

By contrast, Gail Collins is positively giddy that Christine O'Donnell has not faded from view (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/opinion/09collins.html?hp). And since Ms Collins is much funnier than the dour Glenn Greenwald to read, I am also happy about that.

rich10e said...

and the Post Gazette has an article about 30,000 jobs in the seven county metro-pgh area going unfilled...why work when you can collect??

EdHeath said...

Of which, the article says many are nursing jobs, so those unemployed machinists should instantly transform themselves. The article says 80% of the openings are either temporary or with a staffing firm, and 80% of the openings are in Allegheny county while many of the unemployed are in distant counties.

But why let details stand in the way of a chance to kick the poor and take a shot at Democrats.

rich10e said...

not many machinists around anymore...plenty of retail...with West Penn shrinking away you would think that those available nursing/cna jobs would be sucked up...US gov't just stated that 30% of the UE find jobs within a month of UE benefits ending!Work is work..it has more than just $ tied to it.You'd rather we have a permanent underclass of whiners living on the dole, like in France ,Greece, and England.

rich10e said...

"Are we subsidizing the unemployed?"
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/556254/201012081850/Are-We-Subsidizing-Unemployment-.htm

EdHeath said...

And yet the PG article says that nurses and nurses aides and orderlies are among the top positions unfilled. With West Penn shrinking away you would not think there would be so many openings. Apparently your view of supply and demand is not consistent with reality, at least according to the PG and whoever conducted the study they refer to.

Since you didn't cite a source for your 30% statistic, I can't evaluate it at all. A brief glance around the web found second hand sources suggesting the opposite, that it is more difficult to find work the longer you are out of it. And in any event, your figure implies 70% of the unemployed who are looking furiously when the unemployment insurance runs out are unable to find even the most basic of jobs to offset their mounting debts.

I never said I want a permanent underclass of whiners, nor do I know of any evidence that there is such a thing in England or Greece (I'm willing to throw the French under the bus). If there are unemployed construction workers in the county, lets put them to work inspecting bridges (after appropriate training). We'll just let everyone's tax cuts expire to pay for it (oops, already happening).

rich10e said...

Ed as west penn is shrinking UPMC is growing and offering jobs.The jobs that are not getting filled could be filled by those still sucking up the endless welfare provided by the gov't.You still out of work?

Ol' Froth said...

So, there are 30,000 unemployed nurses in western PA? While an RN and an LPN make decent money, many of the available "nursing" jobs are for nurses aids in nursing home settings. This is a job that requires a certain skillset that people who have not had specialized training and or a specialized degree do not have. They're also notoriously low paying for the amount of education required. Try again Rich.

EdHeath said...

You know, rich, there probably is some fraction of people who are content to live on half their former salary (with no health benefits) for as long as they can get away with it. I knew one such guy, who wondered why he had trouble getting a job once he roused himself to look.

When I was unemployed about five years ago, I went on unemployment. I spent six hours a day on the internet for six weeks or so, looking the first four for permanent work, and then I looked for temp jobs. I found one that ended a few weeks later, then another for six months and then a third right away. I found permanent work after about six months working the third temp job.

I know what it is like to face not having a job. I have read other economists who agree with the ideas in the Investors dot com piece you linked to. I think they misinterpret the real world data and draw incorrect aggregate conclusions. I think that you fail to appreciate that while the unemployment rate for people with bachelor's degrees is 4.5%, the rate for people without high school degrees is around 15%. The PG article mentions "many" of the 30,000 job openings require training past high school (like Froth mentioned).

rich10e said...

hey old fart, where did i say 30,000 unemployed nurses...get the froth out of your eyes...fart can you say, tax cuts for everybody!!!

Bram Reichbaum said...

I think the point here is, how does a major political party nominate a person for US Senate who says things that inflict such penetrating brainfreeze (but is not a witch).

Ol' Froth said...

I was referring back to the P-G article Rich, and linking that to your statement about UPMC growing. Yes, I KNOW the article doesn't say that all 30,000 jubs are nursing related, but it does say that many of them are, and as I pointed out, those jobs require a certain skill set, so I was sarcastically implying that there must be 30,000 nurses in WPA too lazy to fill those jobs.


Nice insults though, pretty sure thats the first time I've been called old fart.