Prosecute the torture.

March 9, 2011

From Talking Points Memo

A note on today's end run in Wisconsin:
It's not just the budget bill needs a quorum -- the big issue is that *any* bill with fiscal implications is supposed to have a quorum in the Wisconsin state Senate. So there are two choices here:

1. Collective bargaining has fiscal implications, and so the bill will be blocked in the courts and ruled unconstitutional.

2. Collective bargaining DOES NOT have direct fiscal implications, and Gov. Walker has been lying this entire time by making the case that it's fiscally necessary.

So either the state R's just passed an illegal bill, or Walker has been lying this entire time and really is just interested in union-busting.
My guess is that it's 2. It was ALWAYS about busting the union.

15 comments:

Pgh_Knight said...

My question is: why is there no condemnation of the blocking tactics of the minority in this situation as there were when the Rs attempted to block Obama's Heath Care Bill?

Ol' Froth said...

Because the Democrats agreed to concessions in the Health Care bill that the republicans demanded, and then the Republicans voted against it anyway.

Likewise in Wisconsin. The Democrats agreed to the concessions the governor demanded, but held firm on collective bargaining.

In both cases, it was the republicans who refused to debate and bargain in good faith. "Bipartisanship" to Republicans is doing exactly what republicans want.

But I'm not surprised that a low information voter would ask such a question.

Pgh_Knight said...

yea... it's always the Rs that are bad and you Ds are all smart n'stuff. *eye-roll* insult all you want you hypocrite... spin and look though you "greater than thou" glasses. I will put my education up against yours any day of the week. Want to insult???... I can throw any time you want.

rich10e said...

scoreboard!!

Ol' Froth said...

Knight, you've been smacked down so many times on this board that I can only assume you're a masochist.

And of course, your response was nothing but a load of chest thumping that didn't address the point.

Typical.

Pgh_Knight said...

Please.... I have never been smacked down. I see from your profile you are a government employee... sucking off the tit of the taxes I pay. Enough said.

Ol' Froth said...

So clueless. And you still haven't addressed the point. Just more chest thumping.

Might want to look a little deeper on that profile to find out exactly what I do. And guess what? I pay taxes too!

Pgh_Knight said...

yea... where do you get the money to your pay taxes... from people like me. the circle jerk continues. You started the personal attacks, not me. So, you think I am clueless? Fine, you are entitled to your opinion. So, am I. I just have the common courtesy, and understand public decorum, to not engage in personal attacks. Apparently you parents never taught you that.

Pgh_Knight said...

Oh, and I did see in your profile "law enforcement"... so, when you're done beating a CAPA student, and your wife... you can get back to me.

rich10e said...
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rich10e said...

They fled the state when they could no longer put off a losing vote. They hoped to use their absence as leverage.They had three plus weeks to come home, face the music, recognize the numbers , and get back to the work they were sworn in to perform. Left-wing groups from across the country, all skilled in disruption and chaos creation, turned the capital building into an out-house.O'Davey (Happy St. Patty's Day) and the progressive left here ignore the simple math and the reality of the electoral process

Pgh_Knight said...

I apologize to all readers for losing my temper.

Ol' Froth said...

Hey guess what? I don't work for the City of Pittsburgh!! So many assumptions you make Mr. knight! And you STILL haven't responded to my explaination on why there is a difference between what happened in D.C. with what happened in Madison. I called you a low information voter because you've proven it, time after time after time.

As usual, when the conservative has no argument, he resorts to trying to shout down the other side. Thanks for proving the point!

EdHeath said...

You know it used to be that police, firefighters and EMS were respected, even called heroes (who ran in the Twin Towers, PK?). It used to be that teachers were respected as people with bachelors, masters and even sometimes doctorates making less than people with equivalent degrees in the private sector, but performing an incredibly important public service. Now it is insults from conservatives, bulls-eyes on maps and "Don't retreat, reload".

It's incredible that income inequity has gotten do large, and yet conservatives (getting money from the rich through campaign finance loopholes they engineered) insist that the middle class and poor must be further taxed while the rich need more tax breaks. Conservatives think that if they scream something loud enough and with enough hysteria, they can get voters to elect more Republicans, to pervert the government the founding fathers worked so hard to create.

Maria said...

How dare the public unions try to prevent their members from participating in the race to the bottom that the rest of the middle and working classes are running in?