January 3, 2026

Guess Who Gets A Mention In Jack Smith's Testimony??

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Starting on page 150 of the released testimony,  Representative Mary Gay Scanlon (PA-5th) asked special council Jack Smith this:

Can you just outline for us what actions President Trump, if any, took in Pennsylvania, a State that Joe Biden clearly won, in the 2020 Presidential election to overturn its results and gain the electoral votes for himself? 

And as part of the questioning, she asked this:

Well, I think it is one of the reasons that Pennsylvania's fake electors didn't get prosecuted, was because they pushed back and said, "We're not going to sign this unless you include language saying that this will only be used if there are court cases saying that we are the real electors." 

In your investigation, did you find that the people who were conspiring with the President to push this plan were telling electors one thing and then using their certificates in another way? 

Smith answered:

Yes. The electors were told that they would only be used in these circumstances. And as, you know, other ways of overturning the election fell away and as President Trump and his co-conspirators became more desperate, they came up with even more obviously illegal ways to try to stay in power.

And it eventually devolved to let's just say that these are the electors, regardless of whether any court has said so, the governor has said so, the people of the State and most have said so.

And they didn't go back to electors and say, "Hey, we're going to use your -- I know we told you we were only going to use this if you -- if we won a lawsuit." They just went ahead and used it. 

And then finally Rep Scanlon asked:

I mean, there were other efforts in Pennsylvania. We had the very famous Four16
Seasons Landscaping press conference, which is famous to this day. 

But there was also a meeting that Pennsylvania State Senator Doug Mastriano hosted in a hotel in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, around Thanksgiving weekend, between the certification in Pennsylvania and the presentation of the electors in D.C. 

So even though it was framed as a hearing, Giuliani attended that event and ended 
up speaking to promote some of these falsehoods about election fraud or missing votes or 
whatever and made it sort of a rally. Donald Trump even called into this event and claimed 
that he had won Pennsylvania by a lot. 

Are you familiar with that event? 

Didja see it? DIDJA SEE DOUG'S NAME?

Anyway, Smith had this to say about that meeting:

Well, I think they were calling them hotel hearings, and it's because they couldn't have hearings actually in the legislature. And so I don't think Pennsylvania was the only State where that happened.

There's obviously nothing illegal about having a political rally or having a meeting of people of one political party. Our case was about knowing the false fraud claims. 

Earlier in that same testimony, Smith had said this about whether the president knew that the election fraud claims were false: 

I also remember in Pennsylvania, the chair of the Republican Party in Pennsylvania, a guy by the name of -- I think his name was Tabas -- very shortly after the election -- this is in, I want to say, mid- to early November -- disabused President Trump of the idea that the reason his vote total, his lead was going down, was because of fraud.  

And he explained again that's how -- we all knew that that's how this was going to work with absentee ballots in the State of Pennsylvania, which we had very strong evidence that Trump, in fact, had been briefed upon by his campaign staff. 

And yet they spread those false claims at Doug's hotel hearing in November of 2020.

 Yes, Senator Mastriano. It was historic. But not for the reasons you might wish.

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